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00:09 I do remember I was a senior FMS specialist

00:12 in the Middle East and North Africa region,

00:15 and

00:16 at that time we saw a series of anti-government protests uprising

00:22 beginning in Tunisia and then was spreading

00:24 across the MENA region.

00:26 That

00:27 brought greater attention to our work in terms of financial management,

00:31 governance,

00:32 accountability,

00:33 and the political economies that we're working together with my colleagues

00:37 and how the bank

00:40 should tackle this issue.

00:41 So,

00:42 and as I reflect on those protests,

00:44 I realized that

00:45 There was a manifestation of women's voice and agency.

00:50 Women were at the forefront leading protests for better

00:53 governance and participation in countries like Egypt and Tunisia.

00:57 They demanded changes to oppressive and discriminatory laws to allow

01:02 them to fully participate in politics and economic activities.

01:08 I think that the WGR

01:10 2012 has allowed to move the needle

01:14 beyond

01:14 focusing only on gender issues from

01:18 the notion of women as mothers and from girls' education to the

01:22 broader view of

01:24 economic opportunities,

01:26 capabilities,

01:27 and

01:28 I think that its importance as a framework for the Bank 2015 gender strategy

01:34 cannot be overemphasized.

01:37 Thanks to the WBR,

01:39 you know,

01:39 the strategy was much more concrete and deliberate about investing in activities,

01:45 areas to reduce the barriers to women

01:47 empowerment and access to economic opportunities.

01:51 These investments must be multi-sectoral as well,

01:55 tailored to countries specifics and to the community's needs.

01:59 So for instance,

02:00 in FCV settings in the Sahel region where I serve as a country director,

02:05 prior to my role now as FCB director,

02:08 it means ending

02:10 early childhood marriage for girls,

02:13 having access to reproductive health in countries like

02:15 *** where you have the highest fertility rate,

02:18 and it means facilitating girls' access

02:21 to education.

02:23 There's another important element to that is about social norms,

02:26 and when you look at a project like the SWEEDD project,

02:29 it tackles all of those aspects,

02:31 you know,

02:31 for instance,

02:32 in Mauritania,

02:33 discussion

02:34 with traditional leaders,

02:35 religious leaders

02:37 on the social norms,

02:38 early marriage,

02:39 you see in Chad as well,

02:41 we have,

02:42 thanks to this project,

02:43 to Banks project,

02:44 better access to vocational training,

02:47 including in non-traditional streams.

02:50 Like electrician or woman driving tractors.

02:54 So I really believe that this has allowed the bank

02:56 to put a different focus on this gender world.

02:59 And the most famous is the husbands schools,

03:01 right,

03:02 where future husbands learn

03:04 the importance of family,

03:06 of the gender norms of helping their wife with the household chores,

03:11 and more equality.

03:12 So

03:13 I believe these are all extremely innovative changes that have occurred.

03:21 The example I can think about

03:22 is

03:23 for working on the private sector with colleagues from the bank and IFC,

03:29 better understanding the value chain and how can we develop

03:32 local private sector and value chains in Mali.

03:35 We identified two

03:37 main value chains,

03:39 shea butter

03:40 and oignon.

03:42 Turns out

03:43 in

03:45 these

03:46 two sectors.

03:47 The women were predominantly the ones that were working

03:52 for

03:52 Shea butter

03:53 and for Fogon,

03:55 for Fogon in particular,

03:56 because it's extremely difficult,

03:58 and they were the ones

04:00 that were 90% involved in the production.

04:04 So just thinking that by

04:06 Working

04:07 with

04:08 investors to develop private sector

04:11 development,

04:11 developing a value chain was impacting mainly women,

04:15 to me it was a surprise,

04:16 but a very

04:18 um uh pleasant one,

04:20 I,

04:20 I must say,

04:21 because as you know,

04:22 we know that uh when you improve the life of a woman,

04:26 you improve the life of a household,

04:29 not only an individual.

04:35 When you look at the 2022 Women Business and the Law Report,

04:40 about 2.4 billion women of working age

04:43 are not afforded equal economic opportunity,

04:46 and

04:47 178 countries maintain legal barriers that

04:50 prevent women's full economic participation.

04:53 So COVID-19

04:54 affected women.

04:55 More

04:57 negatively

04:58 because they were already

05:00 worse off.

05:00 That means COVID-19 just exposed the structural barriers

05:05 and vulnerabilities that women and girls experience regularly,

05:08 which

05:09 usually go unnoticed.

05:11 And here,

05:12 a lesson for me is that whether there is

05:15 a health crisis

05:17 or conflict.

05:19 War,

05:20 we must

05:21 meaningfully address the hurdles that limit

05:23 women's and girls' rights and opportunities.

05:25 For example,

05:26 the instance of gender-based violence

05:29 increased during the lockdowns,

05:31 and the restriction on movement created

05:33 even more barriers for women seeking to escape abuse and access

05:38 health and community services like sexual health services

05:42 or access to crisis centers and legal aid.

05:46 A related

05:47 lesson that could be drawn is that we must be

05:49 more deliberate with the banks gender tag mechanism in projects,

05:54 regardless of the sector.

05:56 If used properly,

05:58 the mechanism is

05:59 intended to help.

06:01 Ask practical questions about the gaps between men

06:05 and women that the project can address

06:07 and design the project activities and financing

06:12 to help close or reduce at least the gaps

06:15 and

06:16 make sure that we have well defined indicators

06:19 to track progress in closing those gaps.

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I do remember I was a senior FMS specialist in the Middle East and North Africa region, and at that time we saw a series of anti-government protests uprising beginning in Tunisia and then was spreading across the MENA region. That brought greater attention to our work in terms of financial management, governance, accountability, and the political economies that we're working together with my colleagues and how the bank should tackle this issue. So, and as I reflect on those protests, I realized that There was a manifestation of women's voice and agency. Women were at the forefront leading protests for better governance and participation in countries like Egypt and Tunisia. They demanded changes to oppressive and discriminatory laws to allow them to fully participate in politics and economic activities. I think that the WGR 2012 has allowed to move the needle beyond focusing only on gender issues from the notion of women as mothers and from girls' education to the broader view of economic opportunities, capabilities, and I think that its importance as a framework for the Bank 2015 gender strategy cannot be overemphasized. Thanks to the WBR, you know, the strategy was much more concrete and deliberate about investing in activities, areas to reduce the barriers to women empowerment and access to economic opportunities. These investments must be multi-sectoral as well, tailored to countries specifics and to the community's needs. So for instance, in FCV settings in the Sahel region where I serve as a country director, prior to my role now as FCB director, it means ending early childhood marriage for girls, having access to reproductive health in countries like *** where you have the highest fertility rate, and it means facilitating girls' access to education. There's another important element to that is about social norms, and when you look at a project like the SWEEDD project, it tackles all of those aspects, you know, for instance, in Mauritania, discussion with traditional leaders, religious leaders on the social norms, early marriage, you see in Chad as well, we have, thanks to this project, to Banks project, better access to vocational training, including in non-traditional streams. Like electrician or woman driving tractors. So I really believe that this has allowed the bank to put a different focus on this gender world. And the most famous is the husbands schools, right, where future husbands learn the importance of family, of the gender norms of helping their wife with the household chores, and more equality. So I believe these are all extremely innovative changes that have occurred. The example I can think about is for working on the private sector with colleagues from the bank and IFC, better understanding the value chain and how can we develop local private sector and value chains in Mali. We identified two main value chains, shea butter and oignon. Turns out in these two sectors. The women were predominantly the ones that were working for Shea butter and for Fogon, for Fogon in particular, because it's extremely difficult, and they were the ones that were 90% involved in the production. So just thinking that by Working with investors to develop private sector development, developing a value chain was impacting mainly women, to me it was a surprise, but a very um uh pleasant one, I, I must say, because as you know, we know that uh when you improve the life of a woman, you improve the life of a household, not only an individual. When you look at the 2022 Women Business and the Law Report, about 2.4 billion women of working age are not afforded equal economic opportunity, and 178 countries maintain legal barriers that prevent women's full economic participation. So COVID-19 affected women. More negatively because they were already worse off. That means COVID-19 just exposed the structural barriers and vulnerabilities that women and girls experience regularly, which usually go unnoticed. And here, a lesson for me is that whether there is a health crisis or conflict. War, we must meaningfully address the hurdles that limit women's and girls' rights and opportunities. For example, the instance of gender-based violence increased during the lockdowns, and the restriction on movement created even more barriers for women seeking to escape abuse and access health and community services like sexual health services or access to crisis centers and legal aid. A related lesson that could be drawn is that we must be more deliberate with the banks gender tag mechanism in projects, regardless of the sector. If used properly, the mechanism is intended to help. Ask practical questions about the gaps between men and women that the project can address and design the project activities and financing to help close or reduce at least the gaps and make sure that we have well defined indicators to track progress in closing those gaps.
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In this short interview, Soukeyna Kane reflects on how the 2012 WDR has allowed to move the needle beyond focusing only on gender issues from the notion of women as mothers and from girls' education to the broader queue of economic opportunities.
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